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What is PSG's record with and without Lionel Messi since he signed?

What is PSG's record with and without Lionel Messi since he signed?

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Publish on 05/16 at 09:37 - S. TELFORD

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Lionel Messi has spent two seasons as a cornerstone of Paris Saint-Germain's first team since joining from Barcelona in 2021. Have the capital club been better with or without him in the side since?

Messi stunned world football when he joined PSG on a free transfer from Barca the summer before last, reuniting with Neymar Jr. and forming an incredible front three with the Brazilian and Kylian Mbappé.

 

Since arriving, Messi has racked up 31 goals and 34 assists from 72 games in all competitions and is on the cusp of a second consecutive Ligue 1 Uber Eats title having won the FIFA World Cup with Argentina in December.

 

But while those are impressive individual numbers, PSG haven't necessarily been better with Messi in the team…

 

2021/22: Season 1, a slow start

 

A niggling knee injury and bout of COVID-19 didn't help Messi in his first season, but it did allow for plenty of data for PSG's performances with and without him in that campaign.

 

All told, Messi missed 12 games in Ligue 1 Uber Eats, and 15 in all competitions. PSG averaged 2.58 points per game without him in the team, and 2.12 with him. They also scored marginally more goals and conceded marginally less.

 

"To judge Messi in this way is unfair," said then-coach Mauricio Pocgetiino. "It was a year of learning, and not just on a professional level coming to Paris Saint-Germain, in a new league and with new teammates, but also on a family level."

PSG with and without Messi in Ligue 1 Uber Eats in 2021/22

 

Ligue 1 total

P38, W26, L4, D8, GF90, GA36, GD54, Pts86

 

Ligue 1 with Messi

P26, W16, L3, D7, GF61, GA26, GD35, Pts55

Average points: 2.12, average scoreline: 2.3-1

 

Ligue 1 without Messi

P12, W10, L1, D1, GF29, GA10, GD19, Pts31

average scoreline points: 2.58, average scoreline: 2.4-0.8

 

PSG with and without Messi in all competitions in 2021/22

 

All competitions total

P49, W32, L7, D11, GF112, GA48, GD64, Pts107

 

All competitions with Messi

P34, W20, L6, D9, GF74, GA36, GD38, Pts69

Average points: 2.03, average scoreline: 2.2-1.1

 

All competitions without Messi

P15, W12, L1, D2, GF38, GA12, GD19, Pts38

Average points: 2.53, average scorline: 2.5-0.8

 

2022/23: Season 2, getting back to his best

 

 

Messi admitted himself that his first season wasn't as successful on an individual level as he had hoped - it was the first season he had failed to reach double figures for goals scored since the 2005/06 campaign with Barcelona:

 

"I think about being able to reverse the situation, about not having the feeling of having changed clubs and that it didn't go well for me." He said. "I'm already prepared for what's to come, I know the club, I know the city, I'm a little more comfortable with the dressing room, with my teammates and I know it's going to be different."

 

And he has been good to his word this season. In 2022/23, Messi has only missed six games in Ligue 1 Uber Eats and nine in all competitions - and PSG have missed him when he hasn't been around. They average 2.45 points per game with him and 1.67 without. They also average one more goal per game.

PSG with and without Messi in Ligue 1 Uber Eats in 2022/23

 

Ligue 1 total

P35, W26, L6, D3, GF84, GA35, GD49, Pts81

 

Ligue 1 with Messi

P29, W23, L4, D2, GF75, GA26, GD49, Pts71

Average points: 2.45, average scoreline: 2.6-0.9

 

Ligue 1 without Messi

P6, W3, L2, D1, GF9, GA9, GD0, Pts10

Average points: 1.67, average scoreline: 1.5-1.5

 

PSG with and without Messi in all competitions in 2021/22

 

All competitions total

P47, W33, L9, D5, GF115, GA48, GD67, Pts104

 

All competitions with Messi

P38, W28, L7, D3, GF95, GA37, GD58, Pts87

Average points: 2.29, average scoreline: 2.5-1

 

All comps without Messi

P9, W5, L2, D2, GF20, GA11, GD9, Pts17

Average points: 1.89, average scoreline: 2.2-1.2

 

2023 and beyond, what lies in wait?

 

Messi is out of contract with PSG in, and was recently suspended by the club after an unsanctioned trip to Saudi Arabia following the recent 3-1 loss to FC Lorient. He missed the subsequent 3-1 win at ESTAC Troyes, but returned for the 5-0 win over AC Ajaccio last Saturday.

 

"First of all, I want to apologise to my teammates and the club," Messi posted to Instagram before his return. "Honestly, I thought we were going to have a day off after the game like we did in previous weeks.

 

"I had this trip organised which I had cancelled already; I could not cancel it again. I repeat, I want to say sorry for what I did. I'm waiting to hear what the club want to do with me."

 

While club and player appear to have buried the hatchet, Paris might take stock of what Messi's presence has meant over the piece…

PSG with and without Messi since he signed

 

All competitions with Messi

 

P72, W48, L13, D12, GF169, GA73, GD96, Pts156

Average points: 2.17, average scoreline: 2.3-1

 

All competitions without Messi

 

P24, W17, L3, D4, GF58, GA23, GD35, Pts55

Average points: 2.29, average scoreline: 2.4-1

 

As can be seen above, PSG remain marginally better without Messi that with over the last two season, even if there has been a significant uptick in his performances. They average marginally more points and score slightly more.

 

Messi remains a world class player - perhaps the greatest of all time - and he will continue to make good on the above numbers if he stays beyond this summer. But if he does, PSG have proved they know how to win without him.

 

*cup games treated as league for total points calculation in all competitions

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